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"Public Commissioning": Ten Questions

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“Yesterday evening a service took place at St Helen’s Bishopsgate in which 7 men from 4 dioceses were publicly commissioned for Christian leadership in Church of England churches.” So, begins, the latest video from St Helen’s, Bishopsgate, which has been circulating on social media.

The video is 26 minutes long, with an introduction by the Rector, Revd William Taylor, followed by sixteen interviews with retired bishops, clergy and laity, all of whom appear to support the actions taken by St Helen’s. It can be watched below.


The video raises many questions and appears to misrepresent the work of the Church of England’s Evangelical Council (CEEC) in two significant ways. It is hoped that in the spirit of transparency, which Revd Taylor seeks from the House of Bishops, answers to the following questions will be forthcoming.

  1. Does Revd Taylor understand that CEEC can only offer 'alternative spiritual oversight? If so, why does he call on churches to “recognise formally… that those diocesan bishops who voted for the faithless LLF proposals have broken partnership with faithful Anglican Christians and the true Churches of Jesus Christ,” “by seeking the “alternative oversight” provided by the CEEC?

  2. Does Revd Taylor understand that the Ephesian Fund, "provides PCCs and individuals with a way to give their parish share to the Diocese in support of similar churches"? If so, why does he call on churches, “to cease paying any parish share to the Church of England” by suggesting that it is possible to "divert parish share into the Ephesian Fund or a local Good Stewards Trust to pay for it?”

  3. On whose authority and on behalf of whom, does Mr Taylor speak when he makes his, “appeal to... numerous other churches, and lay and ordained leaders of CEEC and the Alliance" to “seek alternative oversight... cease paying any parish share to the Church of England... if not now, when?” and challenge the diocesan bishops of the Church of England?

  4. If the men, “were commissioned as public leaders and for public ministry in Training Posts in CofE churches” and “into the equivalent of Title Posts” why have their identities not been made public, the film released blurred to prevent identification and their “Training Posts” or “Title Post” equivalents not announced?

  5. Who will licence these men as “new leaders of churches in the Church of England” for future ministry “in the Church of England” to “serve in leadership in Church of England churches and Church of England church plants”?

  6. If those commissioned are ordained “in due course”, why will that be done “less publicly” than the commissioning?

  7. Revd Taylor states that “in St Helen’s and her sister churches [those commissioned] will be teaching the scriptures regularly within the congregations where they lead and will preside at informal church family meals at which bread is broken and the death of the Lord Jesus is remembered,” later describing the latter as, “informal sacramental ministry”:

    1. What is the difference between these ‘informal family meals at which bread is broken’ and the celebration of Holy Communion as provided for by Canon B14 and how is that difference manifested?

    2. Will these ‘informal family meals’ take place entirely additionally to or in (partial) substitution for the Holy Communion services taking place as required by Canon B14?

    3. How will a visitor to a church where such an ‘informal family meal’ is taking place be aware that the person 'presiding' is not ordained?

  8. Why “is there a very real risk that some people will not be able to exercise leadership and Ministry and the commissioning of these people this evening is going to make that possible,” as Canon Dunnett claims, if the men were according to Rt Revd Julian Henderson “commissioned as lay workers in the Church” ?

  9. Rev Taylor, claims that St Helen’s, Bishopsgate are required to act in this way because “close to 50% of the Church of England.. cannot accept the innovations”?

    1. What is the evidence that 50% of the Church of England, as opposed to 50% of the General Synod, cannot accept the bishops’ innovations?

    2. What is the evidence that even if “50% of the Church of England” cannot accept the bishops’ innovations, they also want “structural provincial provision” made for them?

  10. In what way is the “pathway for selection, training and commissioning and, in due course, ordination, of multiple paid Christian ministers, separate from the compromised leadership of the majority of the House of Bishops,” which Revd William Taylor claims, “has been established,” open to the vast majority of churches where the PCC is not able to pay for an 'extra' lay minister?

Many of these questions are not new - so Anglican Futures looks forward at last to public answers to these questions, as Revd Taylor says,"if not now, when?"

 

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Invitado
21 sept 2024

The grand plan of the Alliance and CEEC are going nowhere.


Bible-believing Christians (not just clergy) need to see the legal advice, if any, that justifies their actions (at ASLP & StH) and that underpins sustainable long-term strategy, if any.

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Invitado
02 ago 2024

The following might be helpful in 'the season' many of us are in , thank you

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN a CHURCH CHARITY and DIOCESAN BOARDS of FINANCE

Church Charities {commonly known as The Parochial Church Council of the Ecclesiastical Parish} are ‘free - standing’ legally registered charities with the Charity Commission. Like every charity it will use funds in accordance with the wishes of the donor and as long as those wishes fall within the scope of the charity. The money belongs to the charity and the charity is under no legal obligation to give it to the Diocese or any other organisation who may make a request to the charity.

Diocesan Boards of Finance {DBF’s} through the 1976 Endowments…

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Invitado
02 ago 2024

I was in a quite large Anglican church in London 20 years ago where the second most senior staff member was non-ordained, presided at what were called 'informal breaking of bread' services, was trained to the same level as a CoE ordinand would have been and did a job nobody at the time would have distinguished from an ordained minister. There is nothing innovative in such an arrangement as such.


The thing is, for evangelicals their theology means that ordination is not a sacrament and so carries no particular theological significance and that's fine because we never do sacrifices that need priests performing over them anyway (in theory this is the Anglican doctrine too no?).


New Testament eldership is a…


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Invitado
02 ago 2024
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This view is found in the 39 articles.


XXIII. Of Ministering in the Congregation

It is not lawful for any man to take upon him the office of publick preaching, or ministering the Sacraments in the Congregation, before he be lawfully called, and sent to execute the same.

And those we ought to judge lawfully called and sent, which be chosen and called to this work by men who have publick authority given unto them in the Congregation, to call and send Ministers into the Lord's vineyard.

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Invitado
31 jul 2024

I can't imagine Martin Luther would have taken this approach.

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Invitado
28 sept 2024
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Martin Luther did not mislead and wouldn’t have misled us the way the Alliance is, I mean, they are telling us albeit with good intentions, something that is absolutely untrue. That is, that we can separate from false bishops within the CofE. That is 100% untrue because the alternative oversight is merely spiritual. In all things legal and relational, there is no separation at all.


This is also untrue because even if our congregants number increases massively in future and even if a third province, negotiated decades later with apostate archbishops, comes into being, the fact is, bishops are never democratically chosen. Any new third province’s bishops are by law chosen on the ultimate advice of the prime minister (with…


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Invitado
29 jul 2024

I consider William Taylor to a Prince of the Covenant. He is not alone. There are others. John Coles is one and from a radical complementarian perspective, Susie Leafe is another. For every Phinehas there is a Deborah. This is not a matter of gender, it is matter of who can bear to carry the Anointing, because Radical Holiness will set you on fire, where you are Burning, Always Burning.🔥

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